Brace Yourself: ATF’s Proposed New Rule May Make You a Felon

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1. So, Robert, one who currently has a braced pistol is more special and entitled than one who in the future decides they would like to have a braced pistol. What gives you the right to determine someone else’s right to kep and bear whatever they select. That is a special kind of stupid thinking. This is infringement of ones right to keep and bear, plain and simple……..creeping tyranny. My copy of the 2A doesn’t place any limitations on what type of arms or accessories we are to keep and bear.

   “Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry.” Jefferson

   The Second Amendment. Guess I didn’t get the updated PC Woke version of the Second Amendment. Possibly my copy is an old original V1.0 version. Mine doesn’t contain any stipulations or restrictions regarding:
   –No bump stock;
   –No pistol brace;
   –Need;
   –Suitable for sporting purposes;
   –In common use;
   –No full automatic operation;
   –No scary black color;
   –Maximum purchases per month;
   –Cannot fabricate at home;
   –Cannot modify;
   –Cannot posses certain parts;
   –Maximum number of cartridges;
   –Minimum barrel length;
   –Minimum overall length;
   –Must be serialized;
   –No stock permitted;
   –No pistol grips;
   –No barrel shrouds;
   –No smooth bore barrel:
   –No rifled barrel;
   –No forward vertical grip;
   –No threaded barrel;
   –No bayonet lug;
   –No suppressor;
   –No collapsible stock;
   –No thumb hole in stock;
   –Maximum caliber;
   –No touchy arm brace to shoulder;
   –Minimum number of USA made parts;
   –Applicable to collective use only;
   –Only applicable within one’s home;
   –Cannot cross state line;
   –Cannot enter city limit;
   –Must buy $200 tax stamp;
   –Must not protect one’s hearing;
   –Must not be suitable for defending American soil;
   –Must not be suitable for dispatching tyrants;
   –Must not be designed to efficiently kill;
   –Must wait to take home;
   –Must complete Form 4473;
   –Faceless, nameless bureaucrat must bless purchase;
   –Valid only in Liberal-free zones;
   –Minimum age to keep and bear;
   –Stops where Liberal touchy feelys begin;
   –If a Liberal does not like it, you can’t have it;
   –If a politician fears it because of his actions, you cannot have it;
   –Cannot make snowflake uncomfortable;
   –Cannot chew cookie into gun shape;
   –Toys may not resemble;
   –Must not be visible;
   –Must not be concealed;
   –Must not be readily deployable;
   –Must be encumbered by a lock;
   –Must keep in bureaucrat blessed container;
   –Cannot be loaded;
   –Cannot be in same container as applicable ammunition;
   –Not valid without bureaucrat issued permission slip;
   –Must be listed on government blessed list;
   –Must imprint data on projectile and/or cartridge case;
   –Susceptible to government modification;
   –Susceptible to bureaucrat “know it when see it” interpretation.
   –Old men/women in black dresses may interpret any old way;
   –Cannot have on tax payer funded property;
   –Cannot possess where bureaucrats, elitists are protected by same;
   –Cannot have same as tax payer funded camo/black wearing government employee;
   My copy only says “…..shall not be infringed.”
   Hmmmmm……my copy seems to meet a free man’s purposes. Thanks, appreciate your thoughts and concern, but I’ll stick with my original version.

2. I retired as a Warden from Illinois Dept. of Corrections after 30 years services and progressing through the ranks.
   Instead of these useless bans on products, everyone should call or write their Congressman and demand they create a law that would be the following:
   -Any “prohibited possessor” convicted of the illegal possession of a firearm receives 10 years in prison, no plea bargains, no day for day good time;
   -Anyone convicted of possessing a firearm during the commission of a felony receives 25 years in prison, no plea bargain, no day for day good time;
   -Anyone convicted of using a firearm during the commission of a felony receives 50 years in prison, no plea bargain, no day for day good time;
   -Anyone convicted of murder with a firearm or anything else receives life in prison without parole.
   That is the only way to stop these thugs from picking up the guns.

3. The bigger danger is our assuming they have the power to do this.

4. I’m trying to grasp the reason for this scrutiny. If a stock is not present then you have a more concealable weapon. Easier to conceal may make it more attractive for criminals.
   In reality the only difference between an AR rifle and AR pistol is the barrel length. Accuracy is very comparable.
   A knowledgeable group should propose studies of this type, Not our current politicians and admins. The right to bare arms is true and constant. A few inches and differing shape, from a manufacturer, should not cause jail time. Additionally all equipment purchased prior, should this become law, should be grandfathered. Freedoms can’t be allowed to fade due to prevailing winds.

5. If this is the “Bump Stock” that cocks and fires a semiauto with only one trigger pull or a robotic trigger , there ia NO RERASON for anyone to have it. I am a combat veteran and even in the military the Bump Stock is an irresponsible firearms owners dangerous TOY . It waste ammo and is impossible to control the aiming point

   1. Ummm…. Ok. First off, it’s not. Did you read the article before zooming to the comment section with your uniformed nonsense?

      Second there doesn’t need to be a “RERASON” for an American to win a thing that an American want to own. I bet your car does more than the posted speed limit. It’s almost like it’s up to you to follow the law while being allowed to own a machine capable of breaking it….

      1. If only everyone had some common sense! Well said!

   2. This is not about the bumpstocks this is a separate issue affecting pistol braces which are made to allow people with disabilities to shoot handguns.

   3. Every gun is dangerous. If you are a “combat vet” you should have a better understanding of weaponry, it’s use and the fact that it’s the user that determines the use.

   4. Apparently you didn’t read the article. This is about pistol braces, not bump stocks.
      You sound like someone writing for the gun banning groups. “Oh, people shouldn’t be allowed to own it. They should only be allowed to own what I think they should have”.
      What about sports cars that can go 150 mph?
      Or motorcycles that can hit 180 mph?
      What about chainsaws?

   5. Not your place to say what others may enjoy. You’ve your life’s pleasures and others have theirs. A bump stock makes no difference in control of a firearm. Try learning about something before inserting your ignorant comments. And no, this is not a bump stock. It’s in reference to a pistol brace.

      As 2A supporters, we need to stick together behind whatever control this tyranny seeking, overreaching government tries to take from the freedom loving. Even if it’s something you don’t like, we need to stand together and stand firm.

   6. Gungrabbers that claim to be combat vets, at best, are usually idiots that never served.
      Please find something else to do besides advocating for the continued erosion of our rights. Suggestion: take a remedial English (spelling) class at a local community collage.

6. If you look at the illegal 1934 gun control act, there really is nothing about having a shoulder stock on a handgun. It talks about sawed off rifle and shotgun barrels. What difference does it make what length the barrel is?

   Shoulder stocks on pistols have been popular since the Civiil war., And even before then.
   Luger pistols, 1896 Mauser, revolvers, 1911 pistol all had shoulder stocks available.

   Back in 1918, there was a group that wanted to ban all alcohol. So they convinced the politiicians tof that time to ban all alcohol. Saying that everything would be peaches and cream. Well, we all know how that turned out.

   Suddenly, everyone wanted to drink. There was a huge demand for illegal booze.
   Bootleggers popped up. And so did the Mob.. There were millions of dollars to be made running illegal booze. Soon Probition became a big joke. Underground bars popped up. Even the politicians who voted for Probition went to the underground bars.

   Soon rival gangs started fighting over turf and selling booze. Many big shootouts. People cried to the politiicians ” you have to do something! ( Sound familiar?)

   So the politiicians of that day wrote up the illegal 1934 gun control act. Most of the politiicians of which I think had no idea of what they were doing.. Thinking this would stop criminals and bank robbers. Did this law stop them? Of course not. What stopped the bootleggers and bank robbers was they got shot or arrested and put away in prison for long sentences.

   But now the 1934 gun control act is still on the books. There are no bootleggers or bank robbers riding on sideboard of cars today. It’s time to repeal this illegal law. Why is it still on the books?
   Nowadays, the atf uses it to trap law abiding gun owning citizens by destorting the law.

   Prior to 1934, trapper models of rifles were popular.a and were made with 10″, 12″, 13″”, 14″, and 15″ barrels. Why is a 16″ barrel legal on a rifle, but a 15″ barrel is illegal?
   If a gun manufacturer produced a rifle today straight from the factory with a 15″ barrel, how could that be called a sawed off rifle barrel?

   A should stock on a handgun is no longer concealable. They would be good for hunting.
   What difference does it make if a barrel is long or short on a rifle or handgun? Stupid uninformed politiicians.

   This is the problem when you have politicians who have no idea of what the hell they are doing, passing stupid laws, and start restricting firearms.

   I read on a survival site, that there are over 2 million laws on the books in the United States, with at least 50 to 100 more added everyday. It is said one can’t drive to work or go grocery shopping without breaking half a dozen laws. So that makes everyone a criminal.
   People that come here from communist countries and can’t believe the number of laws that the USA has.

   The gun banning groups and politicians aren’t just after firearms, next on their list are knives.
   The UK banned knives with points and searated blades.
   In Australia, they are talking about banning archery equipment–bows and arrows! They can’t allow the sheeple to have anything to oppose them with.

   Some of these far leftist politicians and their crazy ideas make Hitler look like Sesame Street!!

   Repeal the illegal 1934 gun control act now!

7. This should at least have a grandfather clause so current owners can keep their brace equipped pistols. Hopefully this is challenged in court if it ever does get implemented. Having to register SBR’s is stupid, it is an antiquated law that was used to punish Al Capone type gangsters with Tommy Guns during prohibition and has no business in modern day politics.

8. The Second amendment must be fully reinstated , this nonsense makes America vulnerable in many ways .

9. Why doesn’t the US government(Biden Administration) go get back almost 1 million small arms (mostly fully automatic or Burst fire ) that we somehow turned over to the Taliban, before we start screwing with law abiding Americans. Americans who bought a weapon that was previously something that was completely legal by the ATF ‘s very own classification!! This hypocrisy of this situation isn’t lost on just me is it!

10. The disabled need self defense more now. Trying to end police help.

11. A PISTOL IS STILL A PISTOL , EVEN IF YOU ADD A STABOLIZER . SOMETIMES YOU NEED HELP TO CONTROL THE SAFE OPERATION . IF YOU ARE USING YOUR WEAPON ILLEAGALLY , YOU ARE NOT GOING TO WASTE TIME STRAPPING THIS ON . REFERANCE # ATF 2021R–08 .

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